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ZELINSKIY AND HIS REFORM AGENDA AND WE DIDN’T GET IT. AND WE DIDN’T GET IT.>>YOU INDICATED IN YOUR>>YOU INDICATED IN YOUR DEPOSITION THAT WHEN YOU TOOK DEPOSITION THAT WHEN YOU TOOK OVER THE PORTFOLIO FOR DR. HILL, OVER THE PORTFOLIO FOR DR. HILL, JULY 15th, YOU WERE ALERTED TO JULY 15th, YOU WERE ALERTED TO POTENTIAL ISSUES IN COLONEL POTENTIAL ISSUES IN COLONEL VINGMAN’S JUDGMENT? VINGMAN’S JUDGMENT?>>YES.>>YES.>>DID SHE RELAY ANYTHING>>DID SHE RELAY ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY TO YOU? SPECIFICALLY TO YOU? WHY SHE THOUGHT THAT? WHY SHE THOUGHT THAT?>>NOT AS SUCH.>>NOT AS SUCH. IT WAS MORE OF AN OVERARCHING IT WAS MORE OF AN OVERARCHING STATEMENT FROM HER AND HER STATEMENT FROM HER AND HER DEPUTY WHO BECAME MY DEPUTY THAT DEPUTY WHO BECAME MY DEPUTY THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT JUDGMENT. JUDGMENT.>>OKAY.>>OKAY.>>DID ANY OTHER NSC PERSONNEL>>DID ANY OTHER NSC PERSONNEL RAISE CONCERNS WITH YOU ABOUT RAISE CONCERNS WITH YOU ABOUT COLONEL VINGMAN? COLONEL VINGMAN?>>YES.>>YES.>>AND WHAT WERE THOSE CONCERNS>>AND WHAT WERE THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO YOUR THAT WERE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION? ATTENTION?>>THEY WERE –>>THEY WERE –>>I’M SORRY, WE’RE NOT GOING –>>I’M SORRY, WE’RE NOT GOING –>>I’M GOING TO INSTRUCT LIMB>>I’M GOING TO INSTRUCT LIMB NOT TO ANSWER, BECAUSE I THINK NOT TO ANSWER, BECAUSE I THINK IT’S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT IT’S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU’RE ASKING FOR. YOU’RE ASKING FOR. THESE CONCERNS, MR. CASTER THESE CONCERNS, MR. CASTER PREDATED ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH PREDATED ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH UKRAINIAN SECTOR ASSISTANCE. UKRAINIAN SECTOR ASSISTANCE.>>WELL, DURING THE DEPOSITION I>>WELL, DURING THE DEPOSITION I ASKED MR. MORRISON WHETHER ASKED MR. MORRISON WHETHER OTHERS RAISED A CONCERN, THAT OTHERS RAISED A CONCERN, THAT COLONEL VINGMAN MAY HAVE LEAKED COLONEL VINGMAN MAY HAVE LEAKED INFORMATION. INFORMATION.>>YOU DID ASK THAT, YES.>>YOU DID ASK THAT, YES.>>AND YOUR ANSWER WAS.>>AND YOUR ANSWER WAS.>>OTHERS THAT REPRESENTED THAT,>>OTHERS THAT REPRESENTED THAT, YES. YES.>>AND I ASKED YOU WHETHER YOU>>AND I ASKED YOU WHETHER YOU WERE CONCERNED COLONEL VINGMAN WERE CONCERNED COLONEL VINGMAN DOES NOT KEEP YOU IN THE LOOP AT DOES NOT KEEP YOU IN THE LOOP AT ALL TIMES WITH HIS OFFICIAL ALL TIMES WITH HIS OFFICIAL DUTIES? DUTIES?>>YES.>>YES.>>AND IN FACT WHEN HE WENT TO>>AND IN FACT WHEN HE WENT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL LAWYERS FOLLOWING THE JULY 25th LAWYERS FOLLOWING THE JULY 25th CALL, HE DID NOT FIRST COME TO CALL, HE DID NOT FIRST COME TO YOU, CORRECT? YOU, CORRECT?>>CORRECT.>>CORRECT.>>YOU WERE HIS SUPERVISOR IN>>YOU WERE HIS SUPERVISOR IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, CORRECT THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, CORRECT IN. IN.>>CORRECT.>>CORRECT.>>AND IN HINDSIGHT DID YOU WISH>>AND IN HINDSIGHT DID YOU WISH HE HAD COME TO YOU FIRST BEFORE HE HAD COME TO YOU FIRST BEFORE GOING TO THE LAWYERS? GOING TO THE LAWYERS?>>YES.>>YES.>>WHY IS THAT?>>WHY IS THAT?>>ONE, IF HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT>>ONE, IF HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE CALL, THAT’S SOMETHING I THE CALL, THAT’S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO BE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO BE NOTIFIED OF. NOTIFIED OF. I THINK AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, I THINK AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, SINCE WE BOTH WENT TO THE SINCE WE BOTH WENT TO THE LAWYERS, WE DIDN’T NECESSARILY LAWYERS, WE DIDN’T NECESSARILY BOTH NEED TO AND ECONOMY OF BOTH NEED TO AND ECONOMY OF EFFORT MAY HAVE PREVAILED. EFFORT MAY HAVE PREVAILED.>>DID HE BECOME FRUSTRATED THAT>>DID HE BECOME FRUSTRATED THAT HE FELT CUT OUT OF THE UKRAINE HE FELT CUT OUT OF THE UKRAINE PORTFOLIO? PORTFOLIO?>>YES.>>YES.>>WHAT WERE THE NATURE OF HIS>>WHAT WERE THE NATURE OF HIS CONCERNS. CONCERNS.>>HE WAS CONCERNED WITH RESPECT>>HE WAS CONCERNED WITH RESPECT TO THE UKRAINE TRIP, THAT HE DID TO THE UKRAINE TRIP, THAT HE DID NOT GO. NOT GO. HE ASKED ME WHY IT IS MY HE ASKED ME WHY IT IS MY PRACTICE TO HAVE A NUMBER OF THE PRACTICE TO HAVE A NUMBER OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH AMBASSADOR CONVERSATIONS WITH AMBASSADOR TAYLOR ONE ON ONE. TAYLOR ONE ON ONE. THERE WERE SOME OTHER MATTERS. THERE WERE SOME OTHER MATTERS.>>OKAY.>>OKAY.>>AND DID YOU EVER GET THE>>AND DID YOU EVER GET THE SENSE THAT YOU RESOLVED HIS SENSE THAT YOU RESOLVED HIS CONCERNS OR DID THEY LINGER?

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